Indian Captives

Trailblazer Joined : 29 May 2007 Posts : 88

I question whether the records are adequately digitized and on line to allow the sort of search you suggest, Cedar. Maybe - but I suspect not. And then, there is the issue of folks getting done in without anybody really knowing enough about them to say just how many were in the family, and how many were killed and how many missing.

As far as Indians in movies - run down Col. Tim McCoy's memoir of his film work (as Indian agent helping obtain Indians to act and as an actor himself). Tehre is a guy who really did know about Indians - with emphasis on the Blackfoot. He knew real fighting Indians as a good many were still alive in his day. And he got to know and like - and be trusted and liked in his turn - by them and got many a tale in consequence.

Joined : 27 May 2007 Posts : 5

The Spanish translation for the word Hondo is "deep or profound". That brings to mind the Rio Hondo.

In the American West it refers to the eyelet that is present at the end of a cowboy’s lariat for making a noose. It is the loop or noose or lasso that exists at the end of the rope. The word is pronounced as hon-duh or hon-doo. Hondo can refer to a form of noose knot characteristic in the west.

This website provides an interesting read on the word...

Check out the "Saturn" connection....and think of a twirling lasso...and the rings whirling around Saturn...and it makes sense...(if you have a vivid imagination).

http://www.colinmj.com/cinema/honda.html

Also notice the use of the word...Hondo and Honda. Is that a male/female thing?

Word origin study is a fascinating way to discover the history of language and people. It can tell us a lot about early influences on our society.

Subject: Re: Indian Captives Thu 31 May 2007, 1:59 am

Clyde,

Maybe we're not quite there yet concerning the records being available online, but I suspect that we are close. Census schedules combined with county histories and works relating to the Indian wars might provide clues to the birth-home of little Lizzie Ross. Of course, it is just as likely that her first family may never be discovered.

Thanks for the referral to the book by Col. McCoy. I'd never heard of him, and will be on the look-out for a copy.

Holly

Subject: Re: Indian Captives Thu 31 May 2007, 2:13 am

Thanks very much for providing that meaning, Cee Cee. It is a deeper one than I had anticipated. I wonder whether Hondo, Texas traces its name back to Mexican or Spanish days, or whether the term was applied following Anglo settlement.

Here is a book which is probably necessary for any thinking Texan: '1001 Texas Place Names' by Fred Tarpley. I know that the origins of many of our town and city names can be found elsewhere, but there are many tiny places that hold the secrets of their identities close. I don't have Mr. Tarpley's book yet but plan to order it, soon!

Holly

Subject: Herman Lehmann Fri 15 Aug 2008, 1:05 pm

Talking to Carol about the books of Janice Woods Windle caused me to recall Herman Lehmann, who I believe one of Mrs. Woods' ancestors was portrayed as having met in her novel, Hill Country.

Here are links to more about Mr. Lehmann:

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/LL/fle26.html

http://tinyurl.com/6ldusk

http://tinyurl.com/yr33n5

I remember when his book, Nine Years Among the Indians, was republished during the 1970s. I skimmed through it then and have on several occasions since, but never have given his account of capture by and life among the Indians a thorough reading. Anyone else?

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Joined : 13 Aug 2008 Posts : 8

Yeah I have. It's been a long time. Let me pull out my copy and get back.